(In response to : http://isiganesh.blogspot.in/2012/10/about-getting-married.html)
Being the only son in your family, has mostly good
outcomes.... inheritance...for an example.... (Ganesh might disagree...because
he has always done everything on his own... but in his subconscious he knows
that there is a good amount of cash in his father's savings account...and so do
I about my father)......apart from inheritance, being pampered and being
TOLERATED by everyone in the family is a thing which we both agree....you enjoy
ordering good meals.... and you know that good food will be ready for you...if
you are at home... no matter what....your wishes are hardly overlooked.... and
you do not really have to share anything with anyone else (because like me you
might not have any siblings...or after a certain age your sisters will get
married and go away...)...this much for being the only son....
Glorifying this status is not my intent for this article....
so I need to bring out the real issue.... marriage.... now my peers will
contest...that marriage is a problem....for everyone...whether or not you are
the only son.... but I claim that the problem .... becomes harder, difficult or
even np-complete when you are the only son.... (google 'np-complete' if you
don't know what it is!)
If I were to justify why...this problem is np-complete ....I
would give a one-line statement- "because your parents (include siblings,
cousins, family members close to you- if
applicable) want to fulfill all there wishes in your
marriage!!!!! ALL- because no one else
is going to do that for them if you are the only son!! As a consequence, you
are left to choose from a very small group of people.... I am sure you begin to
get my point……. Lets prove it with more concrete examples…
Note in the subsequent text I am going to address the set of
{parents, siblings, cousins, family members close to you} as ‘THEY’ and its
derivatives…..
(a)
THEY want that your marriage should take place
with all the customs and rituals of the traditional (in our case Brahmin) Hindu
society. Hence, this rules out the possibility of marrying someone outside your
traditional society….. If you had a
brother or two, THEY could have enjoyed all the traditional stuff in those
marriages and left you alone even if you wanted to marry in court with a Latina
per se….. but not an option here!! (I am
living in the US for past 2+ years….. and subsequently this leaves me with an
option of dating from a very dire minority…. You have the same troubles… if you
are south Indian living in North or vice versa…..)
(b)
THEY might want that the family of the girl
should be having similar (actual same) traditions, values, customs. Plus that
family should be able to gel in smoothly with yours. This is as good as telling you that you must
know about the family even before
the girl herself.
(c)
In the traditional Indian procedure, the horrorscopes
(read as horoscopes) and the pictures are exchanged before anything else. So
you would be able to find a girl who matches you intellectually, after she has
surpassed the cruel test of horrorscope and facevalue. The problem with this? You leave out a big
set of individuals who might have matched intellectually, even though the
horrorscope or pictures weren’t up to THEIR expectations. AND EVEN bigger trouble…. None of the girls
with correct horrorscopes and pictures might match u intellectually……
You can take a small instant off and decide for yourself
that THEY have reduced the set of possible brides to a very low minority, and
there is more to come. Another thing you might wonder is, where the fudge are
you (the person who is getting married- the only son) getting involved?
Correct, you are not supposed to get involved in the initial filtering process!
(d)
After THEY have actually filtered out someone
and you feel that she is matching you intellectually, the next thing is will
she accept or reject you? If you are accepted, like my friend Harish recently,
you are a winner!
(e)
If you are rejected, then you go back to the
step (a) and repeat the loop until it converges to some finite value. Never
mind the age or the time it takes, just because you drastically reduced your
options because of THEM.
But what if you are not as lucky as Harish, and what if
after marrying a complete stranger the marriage doesn’t go the way you wanted
it to (read as: your marriage is unsuccessful)? That’s a question that THEY
don’t have an answer for or might not even care for.
When I tried to tell THEM about all these problems, THEY
came up with a nice solution, “Then why don’t you go and find someone for
yourself. We don’t have any problems till qualifications (a) to (d) match!” What?
Are you kidding me? The data set is so damn reduced that it is almost sure that
it will take infinite steps for the loop to converge. Then THEY might be
sometimes able to relax certain constraints, but I am not sure that a girl from
outside will be able to adjust with THEM!
So either stay unmarried, or give in to THEIR whims and
desires. Or run away and get married (which you will not do since you are the
responsible son, and you will be held responsible if something happens to
THEM). A cute question that my friends
(specially non-Indians, mostly Americans) ask me, “What if, you come across
someone who does match all or some of the other requirements and THEY are able
to accept her?” my answer is “Will she accept THEM?”. Moreover, since we were
mostly engaged in becoming great sons till now, were dedicating all our lives
in studies, and jobs to the extent that the dictionary definition of people
like us is nerds, we didn’t come across anyone like that. Is it too
late? Yes, girls whom I knew of are already married or committed and I don’t
have the time/ capacity/ patience/ smartness (read as guts) for finding a
different person.
Am I blaming someone
(read as THEM)? No not at all, the only person that is to be blamed is me
because I couldn’t guess beforehand that such a situation will come one day and
I must be prepared for it. As one of my friends says, “You were being casual,
not working as hard to find a girl as you were in your career! Because you
thought that THEY will take care of it!” So finally I will let THEM take care of all
these things!!!!! When? Not now….because
like Ganesh, haven’t made up my mind yet whether this life (alone) is better
than the one which is impending?
I must say you are the luckiest, if you met someone, fell in
love and then got married. You are the second luckiest if you got married to a
person whom you knew for a long time, even if you weren’t in love. You are the
third luckiest if you were able to choose amongst a large group, you dated the
girls for some time (at least some months) and then decided. Then comes the
category of my friends like Harish (although he might claim that he is the
first luckiest); and if you are amongst the sacred (read as scared) class of
people like Ganesh and I then decide for yourself…..
who needs guts ... you are showing your true grit!
ReplyDeletequestion? what about: horrorscope + pictures + quiz? this is the only rational way for a "nerd" to succumb in good faith :)
Thanks Mr. or Miss Unknown!
DeleteQuiz? Last thing left before you are proved a complete nerd.....
Hehe, interesting. Nice article, Srivats :-)
ReplyDeleteYes, I still claim and will always feel that I am the 'first luckiest' :-)))
Correct me if I am wrong.... but you would want to find a girl for yourself...and wouldn't have bothered about caste...or nationality...if you didn't care a lot about your parents wishes... I am not saying that what you have now is not good..
ReplyDeleteHey Srivats, you know one aspect that I have realized in my life is that I have seen so many girls who I think would have been appropriate for me in one way or the other. But I could not really say that one particular girl 'is' the best for me and I am not sure if I could have ever decided in my life. Being 'luckiest' or finding the 'best' match depends on finding a life partner who loves u, can adjust with you as well as whom you can adjust easily with. This mutual understanding is the most critical aspect in any relationship, whether it is through love marriage or through arranged marriage. This is another reason that I said I didn't mind not really searching/finding someone by myself.
DeleteNow also, the decision was always with me and my fiance; parents did not even interfere in the decision, though I agree that they only suggested each other. Why I mentioned I still feel being the first luckiest is that I cannot personally think I could have found a girl better than my fiance for me in my life (I hope even she feels similarly :-))So the first thing is, we are both extremely happy with each other. Moreover, both sides' parents, relatives, friends, etc are also really happy. So did I lose anything, no... The fact that I remained without a girlfriend in my life till now has not caused me any issues, in fact it only helped me to concentrate on other activities I was involved in. It has been a win-win or happy-happy situation for everyone in this case.
To conclude, I feel that being the 'luckiest' does not at all depend on whether u had a love marriage or an 'arranged' (love) marriage, what matters is whether u get married to someone who you have good trust & understanding with. After-all marriage is a life-long commitment, there is so much time for relationships to get stronger :-)
See... doesn't matter you are lucky or the luckiest..... as I mentioned in my blog ...the real question is what is the probability that every arranged marriage ends up being like yours?
DeleteI understand what u r trying to say. I can always argue that this probability is similar whether it is 'love' marriage or 'arranged' marriage. To me, the probability of a marriage being successful does not depend much on the time you have known your spouse before marriage. Of course if someone has to agree to a marriage without really talking to the girl (or boy) or understanding each other, then it could be a problem as you won't really know what are each others' priorities/aspirations. I can say that this does not happen nowadays at least in the urban world. Both the boy and girl have all the freedom and time to talk to each other, understand each others' character well before agreeing or disagreeing. Thats what happened in my case too. I am not saying that arranged marriage is better or anything, I just want to say that arranged marriage is not worse either !
DeleteYou know that there are a lot more single-child-families in China. And there is saying that "you don't get married with one person. In fact, your family get married with his/her family". Part of your parents' requirement is necessary, such as values. Besides, a huge income gap between the two families is more likely to destroy their marriage in the end. However, some requirement, like "horrorscopes", is that so important? (Please forgive me if it is really a big deal, since I don't quiet understand Indian culture.) So the next thing you're gonna do is to find a girl you like partly fits your parents' view, and persuade your parents to accept her.
ReplyDeleteAs for how to meet girls, you have to break your current "traffic"(college from/to home). It might not be a problem if you are in Blacksburg campus, since there are a lot of Indian students. But as you are here, go to some websites like "Meet-up" and participate in their activities, so that you will have more chances to meet girls.
You are still young and not very nerd. The bright side of getting married with an engineer, includes having more convenient lives because he is capable to solve practical problems; having smart children because their dad is smart; having stable family income because usually engineers are not likely to be laid off in bad economic situation etc.
The last but not least, you may need a car to hang out with girls. As your friend said, you were not working hard enough in this aspect. So don't complain too much.
Hey thanks Quinny for the analysis...and yes.... horoscope is a necessity in India...!! Its kind of a detailed analysis of how the stars at the time of your birth will influence your life
DeleteTrue ....need to "meetup" a few people it seems :)
Interesting points...I was discussing these things with Asati and you covered almost all the points that we discussed. You are not alone and I think this is a story of many Indians (including Me). But I am very optimistic for some reason whichever way it goes :)
ReplyDeleteYes...true...lets be optimistic....
Deletebeing pessimistic is a waste of energy
man, what losers we are! brilliant post though :)
ReplyDeletethanks! your blog motivated me to write this one...!!
DeleteFeels like you poured your heart out :)
ReplyDeleteAnd obviously you are not alone in this. This has always happened to people in every generation who have ventured out to do something new. You think our parents did not face a similar dilemma during their times, or for that matter, you'll be so understanding and caring that your kids will not face this? Of course they will, because you think that given your years of wisdom, you know what is best for them :)
Let us look at the bright side of things. You at least have an option here so that you can at least afford the confusion, what if you had never left Lucknow and thus would have never had this confusion.
Cheers Bapu. Enjoy it while you still can and don't devote too many thoughts to this.
-Abhishek
Hehe, how much have you been thinking? Your blog raises most of the concerns we (the younger generation) have about arranged marriages, but you and I are not alone! I am sure everything gets taken care of! I love my parents who satisfied each of these criteria being getting married and I am so sure they'll help me with it too!
ReplyDeleteBapu, first of all congratulations for depicting your present state of mind in an analytical and scientific way. I say it is scientific because you have introduced a set of variables to the problem of arrangement of marriage which otherwise is a rule of thumb in the traditional indian society.I do not think anybody among our contempories especially us brahmins would have been able to put the problem in a more clear way than you have.
ReplyDeleteComing to the solution i feel the only thing our parents want is to see us living a happy and prosperous life.And as very well said by mom alias abhishek that according to our parents their wisdom is much grater than ours primarily on account of their greater age and experience, there is bound to be conflicts between us and them because like it or not the scoial customs and traditions are diluting by generations.So the definetion of a happy and prosperous life is becoming perception based as people are increasingly becoming rational.Therefore the dilution.
i feel the concepts that are now coming into selection of "one best girl" for marriage on the hypothetical assumption that such a girl actually exists is faulty and needs to be looked upon again.If you closely look at marriage as an institution it is an arrangement of understanding between two people which can never be put in a objective manner and so cannot come with a gurantee.Of course knowing the other partner increases the probability of a successful marriage institution but in no way it diminishes the thrill and excitement of a arranged marriage between two completely unknown people.So, i have my reservations about the order of luck as you have put in.
To conclude i would say unload any burdens you feel on the improper understanding of the dreams of your parents that you somehow feel decreases in degrees with the increase in number of children.Keep in mind the concept that happiness and prosperity are perception based while you unload.As far as responsibilities are concerned since they are to be exercised by you and so are controlled by you ,hence will depend upon your capability throughout your life. So it is constant and not a variable that you can compromise upon at anytime of the career.
Thanks for taking sometime out and studying this blog so comprehensively, kavi. I totally agree with your concept of dilution and conflicts. I do not agree completely with the “thrill and excitement of marrying a stranger part”. Remember, you don’t really know the personality of the person, and it might be a challenge to deal with it. For example, wife of one of my friend doesn’t like to go out too much, and that is creating a trouble in his life too. I have seen few of my friends have some problems.
DeleteAnd I know all the children are equally important for every parent, I was trying to joke around by mentioning the only kid part. As far as responsibility is concerned…..it is a different theme altogether, what I meant was, that people try to add the marriage as a subspace of responsibility and hence forces you to do it according to THEIR wishes. According to me, marriage should not be covered as a part of responsibilities.
I still remember you advising me the same lesson "of being not that hard" to and on life what once your manager during your GE times once gave to you. As our world is still round, ever-changing we are mere someone struck in few dimensions, struggling to get all spatial co-ordinates(might be some ppl around) together at that time and again assuming that would result in absolute happiness which is again a myth(was acceptable if this was relative happiness) i.e. you can't keep everyone(including oneself) happy at the same time. I am still very happy for this world where I have chances of getting lots of opportunities of taking chances, you never know which one turns into a life which would have been desired. Rephrasing a quote from my school days to context here give life a chance.
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ReplyDeleteGood....it would have been more apt if you started drinking after marriage (would give me more data points to talk about).... getting back in december end...
DeleteI don't agree with the whole concept of "finding a girl appropriate for me". It gives me a feeling that i want a girl who does things for me and does not expect much in return. My idea of a marriage or love or even a relationship, always meant, finding a girl whose company you enjoy so much that you are willing to spend your whole life with her without any regret. Love is just a 4-lettered word for such a feeling. Marriage is just the eventual outcome of such a feeling. Nothing else.
ReplyDeleteSo, it doesnt matter how you find that person.
Yourself, by dating girls till u find that someone.
Or, by meeting the girl chosen by your parents.
It doesnt matter.
Lucky is someone, who finds that someone.
The way you find that someone, does not matter. :)
U are the guru..... u do but reiterate my point of view... all I mentioned in the post was...that it is not that easy to find 'that someone' by the traditional procedure outlined above....
Deleteawesome...Abey somethng best gift might waitng for u :)
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ReplyDeleteWhat is dis silly get married rather than writng blogs
Cool samiksha
Nice article! Hope you find someone who matches A to D criteria from your parents and you get married to her.
ReplyDeletewhat happened bro ?????why are publishing that type of blog, r u feeling lonely don't worry for convincing parents its good effort keep it up. this blog has shown your genuine interest in arrange marriage. god bless my little bro
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